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Some random thought on Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister
Cross-posted to my JournalFen page at http://www.journalfen.net/users/julianrain/530.html

The following contains spoilers for all four published books as well as the chapters of A Dance With Dragons released by George R. R. Martin on his website or during readings.


1. Jon Snow.

Like many people, I subscribe to the L + R = J theory; i.e. Jon is the legitimate or bastard son Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen. The circumstantial evidence for this is very good, rather than repeat it here you can read the best arguments here: 
The clinching argument for me is the presence of the Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy. Why would almost 42% of the Kingsguard (more than 42% actually if you consider quality as well as quality) be sent to guard one lone woman in an insignificant (militarily insignificant) Tower, during a war no less, unless there was something extremely valuable about that woman?

However in this post I want to address the symbolic rather than the circumstantial evidence for the L + R = J theory.

As has been pointed out many times, a Stark and Targaryen union would produce a child that would be The Song of Ice and Fire. But the Starks and Targaryens have a much stronger symbolic bond than that; in both similarities and contrasts.

Fire and Ice: This is the first connection/contrast that comes to mind. Obviously a case can be made that the Targaryen represent Fire and the Starks represent Ice. There are so many examples that I'll only mention one - their family swords - Blackfyre and Ice respectively.

First and Last: The Starks are the blood of the First Men, the Targaryens the blood of Old Valyria. The First and Last people to colonize Westeros. Their union would represent a combination of all the racial bloodlines in Westeros, especially considering that Jon has a sprinkling of both Rhoynic and Andalic blood (Rhaegars great-great-great-grandmother was Dornish and I'm sure that the Starks have some Andalic blood). As such Jon's blood would represent the genetic heritage of all of Westeros.

Sigils: The Starks and Targaryens are the only Houses we've seen who actually have a connection with the creatures on their banners. We've seen the Stark children bond with their dire-wolves, indeed we've seen them use their wolves offensively. The Targaryen's military use of their Dragons has been extensively documented in the books. We've never seen - for example Lannisters ever bonding with lions, much less using them offensively. Or Baratheons with stags.


But there is one giant problem with the L + R = J theory, and that is Jon himself. He seems to take after his Stark side completely. He is definitely a Wolf and not a Dragon. He represents Ice, not Fire (although his sword is now LongClaw. Wolves have claws as much as bears, but presumably so do Dragons). Even Tyrion Lannister mentally remarked that his father left little of himself in Jon (although in his mind he thought of Jon's mother leaving little of herself in him - he thought that Jon was Ned's son, not Lyanna's).

If Jon is Rhaegar's son, one would wonder why there are so few clues in Jon's personality, abilities and behavior. He looks like a Stark and acts like a Stark. Which is the only thing keeping me from absolutely excepting the L + R = J theory.

Random point: if the L + R = J theory is correct, I think Jon's real name is Aemon Targaryen. For no logical reason at all.

2.Tyrion Lannister

My other favorite character.

There is a sizable contingent of fans who believe that Tyrion is also a Targaryen. The evidence for this is rather less conclusive, so I'm not convinced one way or the other. But I do however think that there's a very good chance that he will be the third head of the Dragon.

For one thing he would be the ideal Hand for Dany. He has demonstrated his ability as Jofferey's Hand, with a great deal of success considering that he had to out-maneuver Cercei all the time. 

Secondly he knows about Dragons. He has studied them at every opportunity. And Dany has demonstrated that she could certainly use someone knowledge to help her raise them.

Third - He would serve as a bridge between Jon and Dany. He is the only Lannister who is friendly with Jon. And when he meets Dany, he will be the only character in the series to have seen both the Wall and the Dragons (we don’t have any evidence that Mormont or Barristan Selmy had ever seen the Wall). So he will also be the symblic as well as the metaphorical bridge between the Ice and the Fire.


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Sep. 13th, 2008 02:02 pm (UTC)
I don't know. I'm not convinced that Jon is a Targaryen. I mean there's no 'bang' in that reveal anymore, since everyone has heard of that theory.
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